Interview with Frans VanOudenallen


You transitioned from corporate career path to academia and coaching. I’m sure you’ve seen many other clients make dramatic (or what seems so) transitions. What are some of the keys to a transition of this nature?
  • Seek that which you love and you’ll never work a day in your life
  • Enjoyed mentoring downward in corporate world
  • Showed up – discipline – walk into opportunities because you’re there
  • Knew what he liked to do.
  • Marketing: Look at it primarily from the customer’s POV
You and I met in early 2009 while I was between jobs. You were then and are now a prolific networker. Share with us how you use this tool and how you hope others will use it.
  • Thinks of ‘Engagement’ instead of networking
  • Give more than you take: Engagement
  • Giving: can be simple, doesn’t take much time / money. ‘Send me a pithy one liner’
  • Do not keep score. A goal for engagement is to identify positive givers

Great advise to actually engage with people not just network

  • Make the conversation rich and relevant for the speaker
  • Listen for and void ‘I’ talkers, they are takers. You / We / Team talkers are givers. Spend time with them.
Engage Strategically and Selectively
  • Find events that sound interesting or will attract the kind of people you want / need to meet
  • Plan in advance the events you’ll attend
  • Stay in touch with the people you want to stay in touch with. Givers
  • Do this 1 / 2 times per month. You’ll meet 49 – 96 people
This podcast is for hustlers. Many of them are up and comers. What is the most important advice would you offer to the next generation of business leaders?
  • Have an open mind
  • Spend time with older successful people
Best contact info for Frans VanOudenAllen
Please reach out to let Frans know what one or two pieces of insight you will put into practice today.
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